200nit 14.1" SXGA+ on new T60/p??

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hoya · #1 Post by **hoya** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:01 am

This is by far the most exciting news I've read on the new T60 series. If you look at the bottom of this page, you'll see TMD as one of the new suppliers of the 14.1" SXGA+ panels:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... 62784.html

now, if you check TMD's specs for that size panel, you'll see that it is superior (on paper at least) to either the Samsung or BOE Hydis panels:

http://www.toshiba.com/taec/press/lcdb_04_217.shtml

I also saw this at http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.p ... 5094703459

"The new display is extraordinarily thin and lightweight because it incorporates two 0.3mm thick glass, compared to conventional displays using glass that is 0.5mm thick or greater. It has an approximate weight of just 330 grams. This polysilicon active matrix display also features 64-grayscale (260K colors) a contrast ratio of 300:1, and a luminance of up to 200 candelas per meters squared (cd/m2), a high level of brightness achievement for a low-power notebook PC display."

own6volvos · #2 Post by **own6volvos** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:21 am

Screen spec can vary wildly between what is listed on the book, and what it ends up being after it is installed inside a companies laptop or mounting platform. Sometimes the LCD and the backlight are not always a paired group, and the builder opts for a dimmer and more power efficient unit.

donking! · #3 Post by **donking!** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:05 pm

How do you know which panel you're getting when you order one?

hoya · #4 Post by **hoya** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:10 pm

donking! wrote:How do you know which panel you're getting when you order one?

you won't know until you order one and do a parts lookup. alternatively, you could try buying one on eBay with a known serial number so you can check the LCD before clicking the Buy button.

fullauto · #5 Post by **fullauto** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:50 pm

Hello Hoya,

Dude, the description of the T43 in your signature says it all...

I am on my second T43 (2668B1U) in 2 months and am looking to bail.

Are you waiting for the 2nd generation T6x?

What do you think about taking the plunge (to a T60) now?

Thanx.

hoya · #6 Post by **hoya** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:50 pm

fullauto wrote:Hello Hoya,

Dude, the description of the T43 in your signature says it all...

I am on my second T43 (2668B1U) in 2 months and am looking to bail.

Are you waiting for the 2nd generation T6x?

What do you think about taking the plunge (to a T60) now?

Thanx.

hey fullauto,

yep, I'm actually going to take the plunge on the new T60. I was very imprssed when I saw one at CES and anandtech really liked the one they evaluated:
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc ... =2663&p=15

laptop logic will be releasing an in-depth review soon but I'm comfortable enough with Lenovo to give one a try. I just can't take another day with this symphony of sounds! seriously, between the winding of the fan and the buzzing of the capacitors, I'm beyond distracted unless I crank something on iTunes.

what's holding you back on the T60? the 1.0 issue?

#7 Post by **K. Eng** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:27 pm

A 200 nit display in the 14" segment would be wonderful. 150 nits is really just barely adequate...

fullauto · #8 Post by **fullauto** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:32 pm

Hoya...what's holding me back?

Fear and Loathing perhaps.

I am sitting here trying to do some coding and the bloody heat coming out of the fan is darn near burning my left hand. Even with the fan going full tilt the bastid is still blowing like a torch.

(The problem, of course, is that I have the AC plugged in so the CPU doesn't wind down into 80486 mode... )

Geesus, man, this is the "famous" Thinkpad?

Anyway, I have been given the chance to swap this T43p (my second in two months) for a T60. I just might jump...it can't get too much worse, eh?

FWIW, I really like the design of the Thinkpads. I have a Tizio lamp too.

bibo · #9 Post by **bibo** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:42 am

I have seen one model that has 14.1 inch sxga+IPS on lenovo website. However, the tabook says it is 14.1 inch sxga+. I thought it was a mistake on the website. I guess it should be 200nits if it is sxga+IPS

hoya · #10 Post by **hoya** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:42 am

bibo wrote:I have seen one model that has 14.1 inch sxga+IPS on lenovo website. However, the tabook says it is 14.1 inch sxga+. I thought it was a mistake on the website. I guess it should be 200nits if it is sxga+IPS

what is the machine type and model number of the T60 with a 14" IPS display?

hoya · #11 Post by **hoya** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:23 am

fullauto wrote:
Anyway, I have been given the chance to swap this T43p (my second in two months) for a T60.

the T43p is even hotter and louder than a T43. I used that ThinkPad fan control program and saw the highest temps on the graphics card... the presumed culprit (along with the faster FSB, etc.)

With a TDP of 27W, Sonoma is even beats a Tizio's 25W

vkyr · #12 Post by **vkyr** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:04 am

Well, at least in the past there was no 14.1" IPS FlexView SXGA+ like TFT-panel available, since most former IPS panels did stem from IDTech (a merger between the Chi Mei Group and IBM Japan) and IDTech produced only 15" TFT-panels as IPS panels (those well known as FlexView TFT-panels).

AFAIK the IDTech fab has in the meantime been sold to Sony, so it is unlikely that we will see in future much TFT-panels from IDTech supplied in Thinkpads.

Instead nowadays and most in future assembled Thinkpad TFT-panels will probably come from other TFT-panel suppliers (...Samsung, LG-Philips, AUO, BOE-Hydis, TMD and so on...).

Related to a 200 nits 14,1" IPS TFT-panel, I doubt there will be such a luminant 14" TFT-panel among the T60 line. Also as own6volvos correctly said, printed specs can vary wildly between what is advertised and what it will finally be. - In other words, printed paper and web contents is always patient and thus can advertice marketing wise a lot of more theoretic values.

In order to give you an idea how the reality looks like related to the luminance of some Thinkpad TFT-panels, see the bekow uncomplete list (...sorry but I was too lazy to put in all possible Thinkpad model and screen variations, since there are by far too much of them).

Here are some independent lab measured maximal luminance values for some older and newer Thinkpad models:

(TP = ThinkPad)

- TP 765D = 98 cd/m²
- TP 560x = 85 cd/m²
- TP 570 = 102 cd/m²
- TP 600 = 125 cd/m²
- TP 770x = 122 cd/m²
- TP 240 = 68 cd/m²
- TP A22m = 130 cd/m²
- TP A31p = 127 cd/m² (15" TFT-LCD UXGA)
- TP X30 = 120 cd/m²
- TP R40e = 129 cd/m² (14" TFT-LCD XGA)
- TP R50 = 156 cd/m² (15" TFT-LCD SXGA+)
- TP R51 = 154 cd/m² (15" TFT-LCD XGA)
- TP R51 = 155 cd/m² (15" TFT-LCD SXGA+)
- TP T23 = 145 cd/m²
- TP T40 = 113 cd/m2 (14" TFT-LCD SXGA+)
- TP T41 = 128 cd/m² (14" TFT-LCD XGA)
...
... newer models
...
- TP X41 = 125 cd/m²
- TP X41T = 124 cd/m²
- TP T43 = 122 cd/m² (14" TFT-LCD XGA)
- TP R50e = 190 cd/m² (15" TFT-LCD XGA)
- TP Z60t = 139 cd/m²
- TP Z60m = 242 cd/m² (15,4" TFT-LCD WXGA MaxBright)

bibo · #13 Post by **bibo** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:13 am

14 inch +ips

200767U

However, in the Tabook

2007-64U Core Duo T2500 2.00 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ 128MB 100G 5400 DVD±RW ✶ Intel 11a/b/g Verizon Blue Finger Feb 06
2007-67U Core Duo T2500 2.00 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ 128MB 100G 5400 Combo ✶ Intel 11a/b/g Verizon Blue Finger Feb 0

Some: 14.1" (358.1mm) XGA (1024x768) TFT color / 150 nits / anti-glare
Some: 14.1" (358.1mm) SXGA+ (1400x1050) TFT color / 150 nits / anti-glare

It doesn't mention ips.

#14 Post by **dr_st** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:34 pm

darn those stretching links. Guess some of us can't be bothered making their posts readable.

hoya · #15 Post by **hoya** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:44 pm

dr_st wrote:darn those stretching links. Guess some of us can't be bothered making their posts readable.

how does one embed a hyperlink? maybe you could teach us.

vkyr · #16 Post by **vkyr** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:14 pm

Use:

Code: Select all

[url=http://url]URL text[/url]

like:

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[url=http://www.lenovo.com]Lenovo Homepage[/url]

...for the above overlong links...

Thinkpad 200767U

Thinkpad 200764U

donking! · #17 Post by **donking!** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:13 am

bibo,

How did you find those T60 models (that you link to) on the web site? I don't see them listed. And with the configure it myself option I don't see any T60's listed there. Thanks.

bibo · #18 Post by **bibo** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:00 am

I can only fine T60 on lenovo education website. You can call them to order. You can go to the following website to search T60.

r1ych · #19 Post by **r1ych** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:39 am

donking!

You can use the TA book here to get a full list of all of the available Thinkpad models and then plug the IBM part number (eg 200767U ) into the website bibo mentions.

Hope that helps...

Richard.

vkyr · #20 Post by **vkyr** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:38 pm

@bibo

Would you please stop to post overlong reference links in this plain form, it makes the whole threads pretty unreadable inside of webbrowsers.

I recommend you to edit all your posts with those overlong included links and use instead the way I showed above.

Otherwise contact an moderator or admin here to edit your posts accordingly, if you are not capable of doing so by yourself.

donking! · #21 Post by **donking!** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:33 pm

bibo, r1ych,

Thanks for the help. What's the deal with these two different web sites? If I go to lenovo.com, none of these models are listed and I can't get to web pages with prices like at www-03.ibm.com.

It all seems very disorganized.

By the way, on the web site you sent me to, I noticed other models with typos in their specs. 14" models listed as 15" (see 200762U). So it seems like ly the 14" IPS listing was a typo too.

bibo · #22 Post by **bibo** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:39 pm

vkyr wrote:@bibo

Would you please stop to post overlong reference links in this plain form, it makes the whole threads pretty unreadable inside of webbrowsers.

I recommend you to edit all your posts with those overlong included links and use instead the way I showed above.

Otherwise contact an moderator or admin here to edit your posts accordingly, if you are not capable of doing so by yourself.

I don't understand why overlong links bother you so much because the threads are readable on my screen. I will delet all the links. Sorry

a_d_y_a · #23 Post by **a_d_y_a** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:57 pm

When you post a link which is too long then the text body of the message also extends to match the link length. The oversized text paraghraph is difficult to read. Also no one likes scrolling horizontally to read posts.

thanks a lot for cleaning it up.

200nit 14.1" SXGA+ on new T60/p??

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