Couldn't go to a better person!

[rkawakami]

It's going to have to take a landslide, or something fairly close to it, to convince the doubters as to the validity of the electorate's wishes AND to win the outdated concept of the Electoral College. To quote Michael Palin, "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses".

[ajkula66]

It's going to have to take a landslide, or something fairly close to it, to convince the doubters as to the validity of the electorate's wishes

Agreed. I don't see that happening, though. Trump would have to encounter an election loss worse than Goldwater's...

[exTPfan]

Trump will lose in a landslide --- there simply aren't enough people still believing his lies to elect him even with all the Republican electoral shenanigans. The problem is that most of them will continue to believe him, and Trump will never admit he lost.

[ajkula66]

Trump will lose in a landslide --- there simply aren't enough people still believing his lies to elect him even with all the Republican electoral shenanigans.

I would tend to believe that the equation is a bit more complicated than that, but I've been wrong before...

The problem is that most of them will continue to believe him, and Trump will never admit he lost.

Well, if he loses in a landslide as you predict none of that will matter.

[rkawakami]

Trump will lose in a landslide --- there simply aren't enough people still believing his lies to elect him even with all the Republican electoral shenanigans.

As long as the Electoral College continues to exist, that's not a guarantee.

[cadillacmike68]

It's going to have to take a landslide, or something fairly close to it, to convince the doubters as to the validity of the electorate's wishes

Agreed. I don't see that happening, though. Trump would have to encounter an election loss worse than Goldwater's...

Or Mondale! which was actually much worse...

Trump will lose in a landslide --- there simply aren't enough people still believing his lies to elect him even with all the Republican electoral shenanigans. The problem is that most of them will continue to believe him, and Trump will never admit he lost.

Keep dreaming...

[TonyJZX]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. We've heard this before.

The only leaders who dont guarantee a peaceful passage of power is tyrants and dictators.

That means Obama right?

I think the only people who support 45 are those who are ok with this shortcomings or deliberately wave those away and focus on other people when those people arent in power.

There's nothing this govt wants to do to maintain peace during the transfer of power so we will see what we see... it is what it is.

We have to be ok with this because the WH certainly is.

[cadillacmike68]

Well it was the obama WH that illegally spied on the candidate and then incoming president elect in what's nothing short of an attempted coup. And it was hildebeast who said sleepy-creepy joe should "not concede under ANY circumstances", and its all those atifa terrorists rioting, looting , committing arson and assaulting (even murdering) people inthe streets of the big all dem run cities, so I'm not sure where you are coming from.

[dr_st]

I have to wonder, though - has it always been the norm in the US that the media asks an incumbent president running for his second term whether he will agree to a "peaceful transfer of power"? Or is this a new standard set only for president Trump?

Seems a very provocative question to ask and one where there is no way to address it without losing face. Even just agreeing to discuss the topic is almost like admitting defeat in the upcoming elections.

[TonyJZX]

Well it was the obama WH that illegally spied on the candidate and then incoming president elect in what's nothing short of an attempted coup. And it was hildebeast who said sleepy-creepy joe should "not concede under ANY circumstances", and its all those atifa terrorists rioting, looting , committing arson and assaulting (even murdering) people inthe streets of the big all dem run cities, so I'm not sure where you are coming from.

That's why obama clinton and biden are in jail.

Also see noted non antifa innocent person kyle rittenhouse...

I have to wonder, though - has it always been the norm in the US that the media asks an incumbent president running for his second term whether he will agree to a "peaceful transfer of power"? Or is this a new standard set only for president Trump?

Its the only time it needed to be asked and true to form, was fumbled.

Seems a very provocative question to ask and one where there is no way to address it without losing face. Even just agreeing to discuss the topic is almost like admitting defeat in the upcoming elections.

Its only provocative if you dont know how to handle it and its only provocative because certain people have normalised this kind of bad response.

People have such short memories and low expectaitons of their reps:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dear-bi ... d=59545468

[dr_st]

Its the only time it needed to be asked

Why do you say that?

its only provocative because certain people have normalised this kind of bad response.

Suppose that you are an incumbent in Trump's position, and in the middle of your campaign, you are asked point blank: "Will you commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election?" What in your view is a good response?

[MikalE]

"We don't believe there's going to have to be a transfer of power, NEXT."

[dr_st]

Although a similar statement did feature in Trump's overly long reply, I agree with you that it would have been better if he had just said that.

Having listened to the full exchange, I find Trump's answer to be as confused as the question itself was. Trump wanted to take it as another opportunity to bring up what he considers "a big problem of voter fraud due to mail-in ballots", and avoided answering the question directly.

[TonyJZX]

Its the only time it needed to be asked

Why do you say that?

its only provocative because certain people have normalised this kind of bad response.

Suppose that you are an incumbent in Trump's position, and in the middle of your campaign, you are asked point blank: "Will you commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election?" What in your view is a good response?

I think its really amazing that people even has to ask this? Further why are you asking me, who isnt a candidate? Its a reflection on yourself that you cant seem to answer these questions or that you NEED to ask this.

Its the normalisation of the undemocractic authoritarian behaviour.

Ask yourself how Macron would answer... or Trudeau or even your Netanyahu.

[dr_st]

I think its really amazing that people even has to ask this? Further why are you asking me, who isnt a candidate? Its a reflection on yourself that you cant seem to answer these questions or that you NEED to ask this.

I think it's more amazing that you cannot answer a direct question or back up your firmly held belief. I think it's obvious that I don't share your point of view on the matter. I asked you, trying to see what makes you hold your belief, and maybe expecting a reply that would make me think and ponder on the issue.

The reply that I got was (if I understand it correctly) is that if I even have to ask and I don't simply agree with you, then it means something is wrong with me. Okay.

Ask yourself how Macron would answer... or Trudeau or even your Netanyahu.

Funny you mention it, because I did watch an interview with Netanyahu where he was asked this question (more or less) directly. And yes, his response was better than Trump's, in my opinion, but neither response had really changed my opinion on either of them. Nor has it changed yours. I don't think anyone is going to support Trump more or less because of his response or the spins the press has been trying to put on it.

[TonyJZX]

I believe that if you live in a society where you have free and fair elections then the incumbent on losing this election should pass on power without violence.

To me this isnt a controversial statement. However it seems it may be here.

It simply amazes me that people dont beleive in that.

Are things different in Israel?

Remove Trump from the equation and that statement should always ring true. Or move to China or Russia or any of the noted undemocratic "sh@tholes' in the world.

[cadillacmike68]

TonyJZX does NOT have a location as per long standing forum rules and I don't think he is in the US nor is he a US citizen, so take his comments with that in mind.

On the other hand, yours truly is a retired US Army Colonel, and a combat vet who served under multiple presidents.

[TonyJZX]

I dont think I've said anything controversial there. If I have point it out.

Only weak people point out where people come from in order to invallidate their comments.

Attack the comment not the person.

But hey thank your for your service.

btw. let me point out something wacky. If you joined this form back in 2006 you didnt have to put in your location. The admins here state that you are obliged to put it in but you dont have to.

So like Captain America says "I dont think I will".

Its amazing to me so many people get so up in arms about a persons location. I wonder if its fear of the 'other'. So many people care about that I wonder why? why? I kind of know why now.

Amazing how supposed military men dont seem to want a non violent transfer of power??? WHat did you fight for? Freedom? Apparently not.

[cadillacmike68]

I dont think I've said anything controversial there. If I have point it out.

Only weak people point out where people come from in order to invallidate their comments.

Attack the comment not the person.

But hey thank your for your service.

btw. let me point out something wacky. If you joined this form back in 2006 you didnt have to put in your location. The admins here state that you are obliged to put it in but you dont have to.

So like Captain America says "I dont think I will".

Its amazing to me so many people get so up in arms about a persons location. I wonder if its fear of the 'other'. So many people care about that I wonder why? why? I kind of know why now.

Amazing how supposed military men dont seem to want a non violent transfer of power??? WHat did you fight for? Freedom? Apparently not.

Please do not put words in my mouth> I NEVER espoused anyone refusing to step down after being defeated in an election. You're not a US citizen, so while you can rant all you want - you have that right - you don"t live here and others reading this can process that as they wish.

[TonyJZX]

So how about stepping down but espousing violence? Maybe those 2nd amendment types can do something about it?

What about those guys who wanted to kidnap that socialist Whitmer? Fine people on both sides right?

if someones location doesnt bother you then why point it out?

Lady doth protest too much methinks...

[dr_st]

I believe that if you live in a society where you have free and fair elections then the incumbent on losing this election should pass on power without violence.

This goes without saying. The fact that you think that you need to say it now, tells me that you believe that with Trump as the incumbent, there is suddenly reason to question this, while there never was before.

Nothing that Trump has ever said or done suggests that he would be different than any other candidate, if he loses. Suddenly questioning that he would accept the outcome of a democratic election as expected of him, is a vile attempt to plant ideas into people's heads. It's fabricating something and then going around telling people "Hey, what if your president is going to do this horrible thing"? No different then if I came into your neighborhood and started asking people how they can be sure that you, Tony, is not some murderous psychopath.

Not that I blame you for that; I am sure you did not come up with that idea of questioning Trump's commitment to democracy, but merely repeat what you hear/read in the news.

Remove Trump from the equation and that statement should always ring true.

That statement always rings true, and there is that vile attempt to sneak in unfounded allegations against Trump personally.

btw. let me point out something wacky. If you joined this form back in 2006 you didnt have to put in your location. The admins here state that you are obliged to put it in but you dont have to.

You are absolutely correct, that it is technically possible to join the forum without a location. However, it is one of the few "silly rules" that the forum has, and ignoring direct requests from the forum owners/administrators, which I believe you received on the matter, is disrespectful, no matter what the underlying justification of the rule is.

Amazing how supposed military men dont seem to want a non violent transfer of power??? WHat did you fight for? Freedom? Apparently not.

And there you go again - fabricating a strawman argument (now about cadillacmike68) and attacking him for something that you think. Well, Mike can stand up for himself, I'm sure.

[RealBlackStuff]

I really wonder why Americans make such a big hullabaloo about their army and all those veterans.
The majority is, or has been, fighting in countries abroad that are none of their business!
Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, to mention but a few...
And a lot of people only go into the army because of low living standards and their lack of proper education, not because they are patriotic!

[Ibthink]

I have to wonder, though - has it always been the norm in the US that the media asks an incumbent president running for his second term whether he will agree to a "peaceful transfer of power"? Or is this a new standard set only for president Trump?

The question was asked, because Trump is a known narcissist who can not lose, which naturally begs the question "what happens if he does lose". If someone is even compelled to lie about the size of his inauguration crowd because he can not admit it was smaller than for other presidents, that alone already says a lot about his character.

Also, it was Trump who started to question the fairness of the election months ago, which is another very good reason to ask this question.

For other presidents in the history of the US, I don't think there ever had to be a doubt that they would relinquish power, so this question never was relevant.

On the other hand, yours truly is a retired US Army Colonel, and a combat vet who served under multiple presidents.

Very ironic then that you would support Trump, who said multiple times on record that he despises military vets and who is a draft dodger.

[TonyJZX]

Being in the service refines or defines you.

Make of that what you will.

If you have to declare to everyone that you are the king, then you are no king

Why do you have to brag about your service as if that solidifies your stance.

Let your words speak for themselves not your location or your past military history... or your blind trust in a president who wants to be dictator.

[TonyJZX]

The question was asked, because Trump is a known narcissist who can not lose, which naturally begs the question "what happens if he does lose". If someone is even compelled to lie about the size of his inauguration crowd because he can not admit it was smaller than for other presidents, that alone already says a lot about his character.

Fools give these people the benefit of the doubt. Trust but verify. Dont trust no one.

If there is any doubt there is no doubt.

This guy contested his own election... THAT HE WON.

Do you think he's going to go quietly in the night if he lost? Utterly delusional.

Guy has 421 mil. reasons to not give up. Then there's state charges. WHo does he owe money to? The RUssians? THe CHinese?

Certianly no reputable bank.

[dr_st]

Also, it was Trump who started to question the fairness of the election months ago, which is another very good reason to ask this question.

For other presidents in the history of the US, I don't think there ever had to be a doubt that they would relinquish power, so this question never was relevant.

The question is not relevant now either. The only "doubt" is due to fabricated warped views of reality in the heads of those who feel this "doubt" and wish to spread it to others.

Very ironic then that you would support Trump, who said multiple times on record that he despises military vets

Perhaps you are ought to stop spreading half-truths which are worse than lies (because downright lies are easier to shoot down). I know it's real easy to start this and very hard to stop, but do try.

[Ibthink]

The question is not relevant now either. The only "doubt" is due to fabricated warped views of reality in the heads of those who feel this "doubt" and wish to spread it to others.

You say this without anything to base your argument on. Just saying "it is not relevant" is your opinion, not an argument.

Here are some nice Trump quotes:

"He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great. [...] And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” (On Xi Jingping becoming Chinese president for life)

"The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged"

"But in terms of time, we go to January 20th. But I think it's better if you go before the election because I think this -- this scam that the Democrats are pulling -- it's a scam -- this scam will be before the United States Supreme Court. And I think having a 4-4 situation is not a good situation, if you get that," (on the election having to be decided by the Supreme Court)

So no, this question is absolutely relevant. Personally, I am not naive or uninformed enough to think otherwise. There are plenty of countries that have been transformed from democracies to dictatorships "peacefully". Nothing suggests that America is immune to this and it is the first time that it is a real possibility - the USA are deeply split like they have never been since the civil war.

[TonyJZX]

I wonder what military men feel about Russians putting bounties on US servicemen in Afghanistan?

Or are they the losers and suckers if they died?

You can always skip by claiming bones spurs in whatever foot you want and maybe call your STDs you own private VIetnam.

Not my words or thoughts.

If you support the politicians who say these things then your support what they say. Or maybe you are so bankrupt (like he is!) that you can pick and choose what statements hold true to you.

The clock is ticking.

[TonyJZX]

[Perhaps you are ought to stop spreading half-truths which are worse than lies (because downright lies are easier to shoot down). I know it's real easy to start this and very hard to stop, but do try.

Leave that task to our man in Israel!

He has the monopoly on that. Maybe he likes that $3 bn a year in US funds c/o the US taxpayer. I know I would!

I'd say anything to stay on that sweet sweet gravy train. Maybe I'll change my tune when the adminstration changes too! Biden is the best in 2021! BOo Trump in 2021 but Trump in ok in 2020!

[TonyJZX]

The question is not relevant now either. The only "doubt" is due to fabricated warped views of reality in the heads of those who feel this "doubt" and wish to spread it to others.

Read this back to yourself and see the delusion.

Doubt is always revelant for any candidate in an circumstance even in the most robust democracy.

I fear the spread of nothing except coronvirus, another democrat hoax.

I dont fear the spread of misinformation because only the weak minded will accept it. I dont care if other people are swayed by it, that isnt my problem.