Couldn't go to a better person!

[TonyJZX]

I kind of like it how people cry crocodile tears for Walmart as if the Waltons would give you the time of day.

I'm a motoring enthusiast. I have owned a GM LS1 powered V8 and the company that made this automobile went out of business and I remember workmates asking me if that made me upset.

Its a part of the GM conglomerate. Like a give a crap.

Further right now there's a Mercedes Benz AMG in my garage, its my dads and I have it for while. I heard they burn down a Mercedes dealership in the US somewhere during the BLM riots.

My wife said they're burning the AMGs I like so much "just like the one downstairs". Again like I care.

I'm sure the multi billion dollar Daimler AG will be fine.

People seem to love to stump up for companies like as if its their blood. Why?

[rkawakami]

Rioters in Oakland, CA burned the MB dealership this past Spring, as well somebody stole a car from a Honda dealership down the street. The events were covered by the local news here in the Bay Area. People like that need to be found and charged with the felonies they represent. Don't care if it was someone who was legitimately protesting the George Floyd case or if it was simply thugs / anarchists / what-have-you who used the demonstrations as a cover.

[TonyJZX]

So let me get this straight... armed protestors are outside vote counting centers... and they want the officials to count votes only for their chosen candidate and to stop counts for the other team.

That sounds like democracy manifest.

All the while there's a articulated moving truck outside the white house?

I wonder what they know???

[rkawakami]

I don't believe that any Biden supporters are among the armed, or unarmed protestors, wanting to stop the count. These people have been whipped up into action by talk of a "stolen election" by the Liar-In-Chief. Historically, at least pre-COVID days, Democrats tend to use mail-in voting more than Republicans. By Trump's own admission, this was his plan all along to prevent counting of all the mail-in ballots. Some key battleground states do not open up and count absentee / mailed ballots until Election Day. With recent administration moves to hamper the United States Postal Service's ability to process mail, it was thought that disenfranchising voters who voted early by mail would favor Reps. With the vote tallies I've seen so far across the nation, Trump is indeed ahead in the counting in some of the battleground places but they still have not processed all of the ballots. The outcomes there still are in doubt and it's still too early for either side to declare victory. As I type this, the Electoral College count according to the Associated Press is 264 for Biden and 214 for Trump. CNN has it at 253 and 213; Arizona and Nevada are still toss-ups in their estimation.

As to the moving truck, I don't think that the current resident of the White House is planning on moving out anything soon given the statements that have come out of his mouth or from his fingers. We should know what's up in a couple of days, barring any extended delays caused by the court system.

[dr_st]

Historically, at least pre-COVID days, Democrats tend to use mail-in voting more than Republicans.

I noticed this too, and I wonder why this is. I understand that in a two-party system many people align there view with party views by necessity. I just don't understand what causes the correlation between tendency to vote by mail and tendency to vote to a specific party. Is it just urban vs rural (with people in cities tend to prefer mail-in voting, and people in cities also lean more towards the democratic party), or is there something else?

With the vote tallies I've seen so far across the nation, Trump is indeed ahead in the counting in some of the battleground places but they still have not processed all of the ballots. The outcomes there still are in doubt and it's still too early for either side to declare victory.

I looked into the detailed per-state data, noting which counties still have the most votes to report, and it has been obvious at least for 24 hours (since Wisconsin flipped) that it's a sure Biden win. At least if you trust the vote counts, which Trump obviously doesn't.

[Ibthink]

I just don't understand what causes the correlation between tendency to vote by mail and tendency to vote to a specific party. Is it just urban vs rural (with people in cities tend to prefer mail-in voting, and people in cities also lean more towards the democratic party), or is there something else?

Two guesses:

- Mobility: For people who live away from their home state and travel a lot, voting via mail can be advantageous. Maybe, such people tend to be more democratic - such as college students who study at a college away from their home states and younger people in general. On the other hand, people who spend most of their life-time in the same place in rural towns and cities might lean more Republican and have little to gain by voting per mail.

- Voter suppression: Polling places in democratic dominated counties are often a target for shut-downs by Republican state legislatures. This requires people to stand in lines for hours and also means they have to travel further to reach the fewer polling station. By mail-in-voting, this can be circumvented.

[exTPfan]

Trump lied that the PO would lose their ballots etc. etc.. So those believing Trump's lies voted in person. Trump and the Republicans spent a lot of effort discouraging/disparaging postal voting. They may have thought that if Trump was far enough ahead on election night, they could shut down the counting (as the Supreme Court did in 2000) and steal the election. By the time the mob tried to shut down counting in Michigan, Biden was already ahead (and they didn't stop the counting).

[dr_st]

- Mobility: For people who live away from their home state and travel a lot, voting via mail can be advantageous. Maybe, such people tend to be more democratic - such as college students who study at a college away from their home states and younger people in general.

They still have to get their ballots sent to the registered address in the home state, as far as I know. Age correlation may be a factor, though.

- Voter suppression: Polling places in democratic dominated counties are often a target for shut-downs by Republican state legislatures.

This is likely just as bogus as Trump's allegations that Democrats cheat more in mail-in voting.

Trump lied that the PO would lose their ballots etc. etc.. So those believing Trump's lies voted in person.

This is not a recent phenomenon, though.

[Ibthink]

This is likely just as bogus as Trump's allegations that Democrats cheat more in mail-in voting.

Likely not, because there is no evidence that there is fraud with the mail-in votes, while closing polling stations is an act that is visible and public. And very easy to look up which states closed which polling stations where.

Don't believe me? Here is a report from a Texan website listing which polling places were closed where in Texas (this happens in other states like Georgia too): https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politi ... 429443.php Harris County, Dallas County, Travis County - these are all democratic strongholds.

If you choose to ignore the well-documented history of voter suppression, which was started by the Democratic party after the civil war in the South and continued by Republicans after the civil rights act, it makes sense that you fail to understand why modern day Democrats vote by mail more often.

[MikalE]

At this point I don't GAS who wins, I just wish this was over with.

[dr_st]

Don't believe me? Here is a report from a Texan website listing which polling places were closed where in Texas (this happens in other states like Georgia too): https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politi ... 429443.php Harris County, Dallas County, Travis County - these are all democratic strongholds.

Would this be one of those things where the correlation is simply population size? The listed counties appear some of the more densely-populated counties in Texas, naturally with more polling stations to start, so if there is a cut, more are closed. Have they closed more percentage-wise?

My claim is not that polling stations are not being closed, but that is not a scheme by Republican state authorities to suppress Democratic voters in select counties in their states. This article mentions the "leaders" in most of them appear to be blue states:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdenn/ ... s-for-2020

[exTPfan]

Of course it is voter suppression --- one of an endless series of actions by Republicans that make no sense except as voter suppression.

[ajkula66]

Age correlation may be a factor, though.

I would've said the same thing a decade ago. However, from what I've personally observed this time around - take it for what one man saw, no more no less - it's not really all that clear cut.

a) In my work area in NYC the lines for early in-person voting were unbelievable, and the young folk - 25 and under - were outnumbering other generations by a 4:1 margin. These kids are not Trump voters, not by any stretch of imagination.

b) Up here...ugh. I made a mistake of taking one of my shortcuts around 8am on Election Day, being completely oblivious to the fact that it would take me through the local voting place. What a mistake. It took me half an hour instead of two minutes and once again young generation outnumbered the older ones by a huge margin. In this particular area I'd say that Trump would have the edge regardless of age of the voters but that's not the point. Young people were out in the cold, standing in lines and voting. And good for them, regardless of who they voted for.

c) Final casual observation: I spent a *lot* of time driving around some areas of PA where I don't normally venture over the last couple of weeks, including posh neighbourhoods in the Bucks county - along with several others - which were Democrat strongholds for the longest time. No more. Trump signs outnumbered the Biden ones by easily 20:1 and they were in just about every yard. I can't see Biden winning in PA without help from our beloved Governor and/or other power players on the ground.

My $0.02 only...

[cadillacmike68]

It you can't win it fairly, steal it by dumping ballots and excluding poll watchers.

[Ibthink]

It you can't win it fairly, steal it by dumping ballots and excluding poll watchers.

Suuuuuure.

If you truly believe that the Republican state government of ruby-red Georgia manipulated the election in favor of Biden.

[mpcook]

It you can't win it fairly, steal it by dumping ballots and excluding poll watchers.

So far, we are still looking for any possible evidence of fraud and corruption. None yet found. Lots of rhetoric however as the leader of the free world claims we are no longfer free (under his watch no less).

[dr_st]

If you truly believe that the Republican state government of ruby-red Georgia manipulated the election in favor of Biden.

I haven't yet seen any credible evidence of fraud. I'm not sure it exists at a level that can swing election results. But your claim has a logical fallacy. The state government is not the only place where corruption can happen. Most of it can (and usually does) happen at the city/county levels, which are far less exposed to the spotlight than state-level officials.

[cadillacmike68]

If you truly believe that the Republican state government of ruby-red Georgia manipulated the election in favor of Biden.

I haven't yet seen any credible evidence of fraud. I'm not sure it exists at a level that can swing election results. But your claim has a logical fallacy. The state government is not the only place where corruption can happen. Most of it can (and usually does) happen at the city/county levels, which are far less exposed to the spotlight than state-level officials.

That's what I was referring to.

I like how dem voters were given regular pens in NV while rep voters were given sharpies which bled through and invalidated their ballots. I think a manual recount is going to be called for there.

You know a carton of sharpies costs a lot more than the same # of pens, and they don't last as ling, so why would they even bet sharpies in the first place?????

Can anybody say 2000?

And why is it that Florida with more population than ANY of these states, twice that of some counted all of its ballots on election night while these dem led bozos cannot get it done with fewer ballots. And note the nearly 400,000 vote margin in FL where the pres was supposed to lose by several points.

and further note that between 8 and 15-16 house seats will flip to rep while ZERO flip the the other way.

As the robot would say: "That does not compute".

Danger Will Robinson.

[Ibthink]

I like how dem voters were given regular pens in NV while rep voters were given sharpies which bled through and invalidated their ballots. I think a manual recount is going to be called for there.

This has already been cleared up to be a lie. All the votes are counted, no matter if a sharpie or another pen was used. And sharpies don't instantly destroy a piece of paper when they touch it.

And why is it that Florida with more population than ANY of these states, twice that of some counted all of its ballots on election night while these dem led bozos cannot get it done with fewer ballots

I can tell you why: It is state law in Florida that early votes can be counted BEFORE the polls close already, which means Florida had a huge head-start in counting.

Meanwhile, the law in Pennsylvania is that the ballots may not be opened until the polls close - and mail-in votes are to be counted AFTER election day votes. That is a law that was created by the Republican state legislature in Pennsylvania. Guess why...

The state government is not the only place where corruption can happen. Most of it can (and usually does) happen at the city/county levels, which are far less exposed to the spotlight than state-level officials.

The man in charge of the national election in Georgia, the Secretary of State, is still a Republican. He organizes and oversees the election process. Do you think this person would not control very closely how the votes are counted?

[mpcook]

I like how dem voters were given regular pens in NV while rep voters were given sharpies which bled through and invalidated their ballots. I think a manual recount is going to be called for there.

You know a carton of sharpies costs a lot more than the same # of pens, and they don't last as ling, so why would they even bet sharpies in the first place?????

Proven to be a fraudulent accusation.

Still looking for evidence of voter or vote counting fraud.

[dr_st]

The man in charge of the national election in Georgia, the Secretary of State, is still a Republican.

Yes, which is why I'm certain that if Trump's campaign files claims with the Georgia courts, he will support checking those claims.

He organizes and oversees the election process. Do you think this person would not control very closely how the votes are counted?

Right. I'm sure he watches every single polling point and every single ballot counter like a hawk.

Get over yourself.

[Ibthink]

Right. I'm sure he watches every single polling point and every single ballot counter like a hawk.

Here is the thing: He doesn't have to do it himself. Republicans and Democrats have poll watchers to do this.

Yes, which is why I'm certain that if Trump's campaign files claims with the Georgia courts, he will support checking those claims.

No one disputes that such claims should be checked. Trump has legal rights to file claims and demand recounts - won't save him though if the numbers are simply not there for him.

Get over yourself.

Same to you.

[TonyJZX]

The man in charge of the national election in Georgia, the Secretary of State, is still a Republican.

Yes, which is why I'm certain that if Trump's campaign files claims with the Georgia courts, he will support checking those claims.

He organizes and oversees the election process. Do you think this person would not control very closely how the votes are counted?

Right. I'm sure he watches every single polling point and every single ballot counter like a hawk.

Get over yourself.

Its amazingly telling that a person makes a false accusation, then gets called out on it and then you say that original person cant be held to a higher standard when making those false accusations.

Also... let's take some hard numbers... 264 vs 214

120,000 cases in a single day (as per topic)

I'll say it quite plainly... I can almost respect anyone who capes for these people, this party, even in the face of certain defeat. Almost but not quite.

Also I'm hoping one day Biden accounts for the crimes of Hunter and his laptops! Still waiting... it'll break the election I reckon.

[cadillacmike68]

The plan all along has been to shove biden aside early on and put the VP in. The laptop scandal (which IS hunter's - duma$$) is going to accelerate this significantly.

I predict a red brick wall in the senate for 2 years until the few remaining majority dems in the house are pushed aside.

[exTPfan]

Over 33% of the US population voted for Biden, the most in modern history. Saint Ronnie never got more than about 30%. That makes Trump the biggest loser in history.

[dr_st]

Here is the thing: He doesn't have to do it himself. Republicans and Democrats have poll watchers to do this.

Precisely. So if it's down to poll watchers in individual points / precincts, what does the party affiliation of the Secretary of State have to do with it? Absolutely nothing. Your argument was a strawman one from the beginning.

Over 33% of the US population voted for Biden, the most in modern history.

And who now holds the record for the presidential candidate with the second most votes ever? Trump, just now. That's just the effect of massively increased turnout.

[Ibthink]

what does the party affiliation of the Secretary of State have to do with it? Absolutely nothing.

A lot. Because Trump is trying to spin it by saying that states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania (which all have Democratic governors and election officials) are faking election results on a massive scale (which goes beyond the local level) in a coordinated action. This lie becomes much harder to make believable when a Republican state like Georgia comes into the mix.

Maybe you misunderstood my point there. These are two different things - the story that Trump is trying to sell and the actual voting process.

[rkawakami]

So, with the 2020 Presidential Election behind us, and the current projections of Electoral College votes at 253 Biden vs 213 Trump, here are my 10 predictions on what's going to happen between now and January 20, 2021:

Note: all references to "he", "him" or "his" is Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of the United States (POTUS)

- He will become the newest member of the single-term President's Club.
- He will still complain that the election was stolen from him and was rigged from the get-go; in other words, no change from the last several months.
- No systematic voter fraud or inconsistencies will be found, although there may be a few individual cases where people were found to have voted twice; something he encouraged people to try to do. To put it another way, no evidence will be found that indicates that tens of thousands of votes (or more) were either illegal, lost (presumably votes for him), rejected (again, votes in his favor) or otherwise altered in some way to either reduce his count or to increase Biden's.
- His lawyers will file suit in various jurisdictions in an attempt to change the results of the voting, to no avail. Note: As I write this there already is some legal maneuvering going on. I'm just saying nothing will come from it.
- The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) will either refuse to hear any cases brought before them on the subject of voting, or voting procedures in this election, or rule against him.
- Some, not all, GOP members will start to distance themselves from what has been happening for the last four years under his administration, now that they're not afraid of incurring his wrath, thereby affecting their political careers.
- A half-hearted attempt at a smooth transition of power will occur. Very little or no briefings, meetings or packages will be provided to the incoming administration like what has normally / traditionally taken place.
- POTUS will issue pardon(s) to his favorite people that were in his orbit, that is to say, people who did not write books or op-eds that were negative about him.
- POTUS will issue Executive Order(s) that are favorable to himself, his family, and/or to his business interests. This includes orders that attempt to impede legal processes against himself, his family and/or his business interests.
- He will not leave the White House quietly or with any grace, modesty or humility. It's just not in his nature.

Bonus prediction (long term):

- After all of the dust has settled, probably in 2023 or slightly beyond, he will somehow pay (financially or legally) for his term in office.

[RealBlackStuff]

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[cadillacmike68]

Like higher taxes? Get ready for more at ALL income levels.

Like paying for gasoline, fuel? It'll get MUCH more expensive, and you'll be forced to electric junk, but the liberal elites will still have their private planes, etc.

Like your health plan? goodbye.

Like your 2A rights? Stock up now if you can. But the elites will still have their private armed security.