So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

[ajkula66]

This should make for an interesting poll in my not so humble opinion.

You're more than welcome to elaborate on the reasons for your choice but are just as welcome to keep them to yourself.

Let the games begin...

In the spirit of true sportsmanship, I'll open up by stating that *my personal choice* is NEVER.

[atagunov]

Roger sir! Anytime! Russian, American, German or all of them in sequence.

P.S. what I absolutely detest is the intention of the authorities to track people who have had the jab and use that information to vet people onto flights, into events, etc. An internation database giving each and everybody an ID.. A ledger of planet Earth.. Brr.. Won't stop me taking a vaccine but a rather sad turn of events. A spoon of tar (vaccination certificates) in a barrel of honey (vaccination).

[shawross]

Yes I am certainly in the never camp and I have a skeptical viewpoint on vaccines but not necessarily all vaccines.
I view vaccines much like computer updates and it can be used as a backdoor.

There is no better example with the latest Orion / Solar Winds hack. People should consider their body sacrosanct if you will.

With that being said I fear more for the children and younger members of society.

The main problem we are faced with is MSM doesn't give a balanced viewpoint on hastily concocted dubious vaccines.

We have seen in Australia the first vaccines had HIV proteins which an Australian scientist warned about before the vaccines were administered.
Then vaccine recipients tested positive for HIV after the trial.
To summarize I will just say "my body my choice". Because we do live in a free and open society don't we?

[leba]

They can shove their genetic vaccine up their butt for all I care. They are gaslighting it at such a pace I've never seen before. No legal liability on pharmaceutical companies, just a live experiment.

All this retrovirus and RNA vacs talk smells bad. Let's just hope for the best. Take care.

They'll keep rolling out new covids as long as neccessary.

PD: Is the common good above individual liberty?, who decides what is the common good? and if it is the people, what decisions can an uninformed community make anyways?
The silent mayority are simply good people that trust what is being said and, under a stage of fear and financial stress, will jump at any given way out.

[Omineca]

I've only seen trial data for the Pfizer vaccine. So it's impossible to answer a generic question like this one. I don't know which one they'll offer me. I have no problem with vaccinations (I've had MMR and tetanus at the least -- I was too young for the smallpox vaccine) and I'm not worried about any great conspiracy. There's no need for conspiracies. The power holders f^&k you out in the open and most people are too dumb to care. They make up irrelevant b.s. conspiracies instead.

But I do want to see the full results from the early experiments before I choose to become a guinea pig. Even with that information, we'll have no idea whatsoever about long-term effects.

That being said, I'd rather be vaccinated. My wife works in long-term care and I've basically been in lockdown and working from home since March. Given that I generally hate humanity, it's been less difficult than it should have been.

Edit: about a week ago, I was watching CNN and they told Anderson Cooper that as a healthy 53-year-old, he was 2/3 of the way down the list to be vaccinated in the U.S. If that's the case in Canada, then I'm about 2/3 of the way down the queue as well. So there's a lot of time to watch the results of other people getting vaccinated...

[ajkula66]

I've only seen trial data for the Pfizer vaccine. So it's impossible to answer a generic question like this one. I don't know which one they'll offer me.

Genuine curiosity on my end: what difference does it make ? There are at least 4 vaccines out at this point (Pfizer, Moderna, Russian, Chinese) and there certainly will be more to come.The reason for the question being "generic" if you will was more along the lines of determining how people feel about getting a C-19 vaccine as opposed to getting the vaccine. Nevertheless, your thoughts are highly appreciated...

have no problem with vaccinations (I've had MMR and tetanus at the least -- I was too young for the smallpox vaccine)

I received the smallpox vaccine twice at the age and location where I had absolutely zero choice in the matter.

Survived M and M with no issues, pretty sure I had the R as well, but the only person who would know that for a fact - my mother - is no longer around so the last one is an educated guess.

When I was immigrating into the U.S. I was given two shots, no clue what these were but nausea and fever were there for a few days. Shame on me for doing things lege artis.

Got a tetanus shot after a major vehicular accident a decade ago. I guess that I could've said "no" to it, but my head was not fully screwed on at the given moment, so there goes that...

Never got a flu shot and haven't had the flu in more than 25 years.

But to each their own and that's what this poll is all about...

[axur-delmeria]

Genuine curiosity on my end: what difference does it make ? There are at least 4 vaccines out at this point (Pfizer, Moderna, Russian, Chinese) and there certainly will be more to come.The reason for the question being "generic" if you will was more along the lines of determining how people feel about getting a C-19 vaccine as opposed to getting the vaccine. Nevertheless, your thoughts are highly appreciated...

The Chinese vaccine has no publicly available data regarding its phase 3 testing results. Not sure about the Russian one though, though it's probably on the same boat.

Even worse is that my country's government seems to prefer the Chinese one despite the lack of test results, as well as being the 2nd most expensive vaccine among them.

[rkawakami]

Voted "as soon as available to me", although I may wait a month or two if there are many more reports of adverse affects in the meantime; like the allergic reactions in some people. This is from somebody who has never opted to get the yearly flu shot and have only gotten sick enough with a cold to miss work a couple of times in the last 30 or so years.

If I have a choice I'd prefer the Moderna vaccine at the moment because it doesn't require the colder storage temperatures as Pfizer, nor does it require dilution before administration. There's less of a chance of it going bad or a dosage error occurring. And definitely in an environment where there are medical resources available in case of a bad reaction (doctor's office or hospital with an EpiPen nearby). I am (was? since I've not re-verified it) apparently allergic to ibuprofen (Advil) since taking it twice a few months apart about 7-8 years ago. I was never allergic to the stuff and then all of a sudden I was; swelling of lips/face but no airway constriction was the reaction. So that's really my only concern.

[shawross]

Bill Gates would like you to take this vaccine and in the below 3.46 min interview he seeks to convince you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGMZ6H2x9IU

[ajkula66]

So that's really my only concern.

Well explained as usual... ...thank you for participating.

Bill Gates would like you to take this vaccine and in the below 3.46 min interview he seeks to convince you.

I always had an uneasy gut feeling about Mr. Gates and his non-MS-related activities worldwide have only made it stronger...

[Omineca]

I've only seen trial data for the Pfizer vaccine. So it's impossible to answer a generic question like this one. I don't know which one they'll offer me.

Genuine curiosity on my end: what difference does it make ?

I like to see the data first. That's all. At least then I can pretend that I know what I'm doing

[789]

A spoonful of honey in a barrel of tar.

For two decades they have been handing out tax-payer funded flu vaccines. People line up in parking lots to reach into somebody else's pocket for a flu shot. These flu shots have been proven to be completely useless at best; in some instances actually harmful. The flu season comes and goes, just as it did in the 1960s, '70s. A portion of the population gets the flu and recovers from it without any help from medical science and the products of pharma corporations. There are products in the stores which we may purchase with our own money, but those are only for the symptoms (stuffy nose, so you can sleep).

Suddenly, in one summer, pharma corporations developed a Wuhan vaccine.

According to official numbers from nothing-but-the-truth government sources, one per centum of the population got infected by this Wuhan flu. Out of that 1% two per centum died. Ninety-five per centum of that 2% would have died this year anyway.

If only the made-in-Spain flu had been this ineffective. If TB and small-pox had been this ineffective, we wouldn't know about them. If the government didn't tell us, we wouldn't know about the Wuhan flu.

According to the government, 1,700,000 people died from the Wuhan flu in 2020. (We do know that hospitals get extra money from government if Wuhan flu is marked down as cause of death)
Every year 1,500,000 people die from TB. No one cares, no one hears about it. It is a non-event. The airlines don't ask you; the border guard doesn't ask you; the bus driver doesn't ask you; the bartender certainly doesn't ask you; no body asks you in the elevator.
According to the people in the business, more than 10% of the population has TB ---it is a very popular desease in North America, yet there is no curfew, lockdown, blockade, bankruptcy, to cure TB.

N.Y. Post, Wuhan flu capital

If pFizer corporation could be held responsible for its actions, wouldn't it be out of existence by now ?
Wouldn't a glass of tap-water be just as effective as a pFizer vaccine ?

[ajkula66]

According to the people in the business, more than 10% of the population has TB ---it is a very popular desease in North America, yet there is no curfew, lockdown, blockade, bankruptcy, to cure TB.

Better yet, TB not even on the list of the vaccines that kids are expected to receive in the U.S. I was floored when I found this out 20 years ago...

If pFizer corporation could be held responsible for its actions, wouldn't it be out of existence by now ?

If you want to open that can of worms, it's fair to say that most of Big Pharma - along with select other industries - would've ceased to exist decades ago...

[rkawakami]

The vaccine for TB is not administered in the US due to the low risk of infection. In 2018, the latest data I could find, there were 542 deaths in the US attributed to TB, a rise from 515 in 2017. A little more than five hundred for the entire year, in the entire US. Ten days ago (Dec. 16th) California reported 379 COVID-19 deaths for the day. I think one disease is a little more deadly than the other.

ref: https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/fac ... trends.htm
ref: https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/

[ajkula66]

I think one disease is a little more deadly than the other.

I was not comparing the two diseases.

TB will be making a comeback soon enough, though. And the "new" version seems to resist the known antibiotics pretty darn well.

Now, let's consider the following.

No cases of rubella recorded in 2019 within the U.S.

70 cases of mumps in the same year.

1282 cases of measles.

These are the recorded cases, not deaths. And we are still required to vaccinate kids against those...

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html

https://www.cdc.gov/mumps/outbreaks.html

https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/about/in-the-us.html

Draw your own conclusions...

[rkawakami]

I was not comparing the two diseases.

I was mainly responding to 789 when I was quoting the number of deaths from each disease and contrasting the vast differences in mortality. My first sentence (about the US not regularly vaccinating against TB) was more for your benefit. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes, drug-resistant TB appears to be gaining a foothold. Would you prefer that kids be inoculated against TB (using the current drugs) rather than get the MMR shot?

[Droider]

I am never going to take a vaccine for any virus that is man-made in labs and has been advertised like the the end of the world by whole media in all over the world. If the government of my country forces me to take the vaccine to live in its borders, i will just move to another counrty to live that doesn't force it.

[ajkula66]

Would you prefer that kids be inoculated against TB (using the current drugs) rather than get the MMR shot?

Yes.

Especially for the fact that some studies have linked BCG (conventional anti TB vaccine that has been around for a century or so) with improved tolerance against C-19.

It is possible that people from TB endemic countries like India despite vast population and growing numbers of COVID19 infection, have acquired some protections from severity and deaths from COVID-19 in comparison to TB non-endemic countries (like Europe and USA). Although it appears the immunity may not able to stop COVID 19 infections, but is likely to diminish its impact on severity and mortality.

The entire study here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7413058/

More to come...

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/s ... -covid-19/

https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home ... -covid-19/

[789]

Microsoft and Windows are the best things that could ever happen to a computer

In 2020 7,000 million people, 99% of the population of the planet, managed on their own to resist the Wuhan flu ---without any help from government employees, from medical science, from corporations of high morality and virtue, like pFizer of Lipitor fame.
7,000 million people, 99% of the population, has already done what the government, the gestapo lynch-mob, and the makers of Lipitor would like us to believe their concoction will do for us: fight off the Wuhan influenza.
The job is done, mission is accomplished, what need is there for some brew from the Doctor Mengele School of Medical Research ?

The Spanish Flu ran out of steam without any help from the government or P. Fizer's grand-parents. The people defeated the Spanish Flu, not government employees and their medical science.

The Hong Kong influenza was a much better quality flu than the one produced in Wuhan (a dollar store version of a virus that was already a knock-off of the high quality flu made in Spain). None-the-less, on a jam-packed streetcars, people went to school and work. There was no vaccine; and the government did not know then that confinement and bankruptcy are the best medicine against the common cold.

During the Obama years there was the HiNi swine flu event. Some people got sick, some people died. A non-event, certainly no hysteria-lockdown-curfew ---medical science wasn't advanced way back then.

it's fair to say that most of Big Pharma would've ceased to exist

Yet, now I should inject something made by these corporate citizens who should have been dispossessed and put out of existence years ago.

Tuberculosis
I tried to find accurate numbers. There are only estimates, 10% to 30%. As in: someone at the Journal of Medicine writes that 30% of the population has latent (a-symptomatic) TB. Medical scientists say latent TB is NOT communicable. Then how does it spread ? can the wind just take it from New York to Vancouver ? or from New York to London ? This would mean that more than 99% of TB-infected people live out their lives without ever knowing they have TB ---unless, for some reason, they take a skin test. Is there a record how many people failed the skin test ?

BCG was mandatory in the old soviet block, yet we hear that Ukraine and Roumania is lately becoming the new home for TB.

1,500,000 people die from TB year after year. Nobody cares. Nobody tells them to get a shot from pFizer; nobody asks them before they board a bus or an aeroplane. The logic of the governments seems to be that as long as I have a Wuhan sticker I am free to enter buildings, use public washrooms and swimming pools, get on airplanes and cruise ships, travel, walk on the street ---TB is fine, the Wuhan flu is what we need to fear.

Is there record of how many people are infected with syphilis each year ? shouldn't we mandate wearing chastity belts or large adult diapers on the outside ? should we not segregate people from each other until it is eradicated ? should we not force syphilis carriers to disclose their movements and contacts in the previous six months ?

[Omineca]

I usually let commentary that I disagree with go without a response, but this one is so full of inaccuracies and misleading information that I had to respond to it.

In 2020 7,000 million people, 99% of the population of the planet, managed on their own to resist the Wuhan flu ---without any help from government employees, from medical science, from corporations of high morality and virtue, like pFizer of Lipitor fame.

That's not true. You have no idea how many people were actually exposed to the virus.

The Spanish Flu ran out of steam without any help from the government or P. Fizer's grand-parents. The people defeated the Spanish Flu, not government employees and their medical science.

So far, that hasn't happened with this virus.

The Hong Kong influenza was a much better quality flu than the one produced in Wuhan (a dollar store version of a virus that was already a knock-off of the high quality flu made in Spain).

This isn't a flu.

During the Obama years there was the HiNi swine flu event. Some people got sick, some people died. A non-event, certainly no hysteria-lockdown-curfew ---medical science wasn't advanced way back then.

Again, COVID-19 is not a flu and significant numbers of older people actually have died of it. The main concern has always been that the health care system will get overwhelmed with cases. Clearly, COVID-19 is not going to kill off a substantial portion of the population.

1,500,000 people die from TB year after year. Nobody cares. Nobody tells them to get a shot from pFizer; nobody asks them before they board a bus or an aeroplane.

Not true. I live in British Columbia and infective cases of TB involve mandatory isolation.

Is there record of how many people are infected with syphilis each year ? shouldn't we mandate wearing chastity belts or large adult diapers on the outside ? should we not segregate people from each other until it is eradicated ? should we not force syphilis carriers to disclose their movements and contacts in the previous six months ?

Well, this is kind of ridiculous. I don't know what they do in the US, but in Canada, notification of previous sexual partners is mandatory.

[ajkula66]

So far, that hasn't happened with this virus.

I would argue that the reason that it hasn't happened this time around is because the "powers that be" didn't allow such a turn of events. But that horse is out of the barn...

We are where we are and it doesn't seem to be a joyful place from where I stand.

[789]

That's not true. You have no idea how many people were actually exposed to the virus.

I took the numbers from here:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Is the population not 7,800 million ?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Are the Wuhan numbers posted by worldometer not accurate ? I thought those were government numbers.

John Rockefeller and Standard Oil Corporation were the best things that ever happened to medical science

[Omineca]

That's not true. You have no idea how many people were actually exposed to the virus.

I took the numbers from here:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Is the population not 7,800 million ?

Sure. But again, the point is that obviously only a fraction of that population has been exposed to the virus.

[789]

They gave a vaccine shot to a 75 year old man, two hours later he died anyway.

So much for medical science and their vaccines. They could have just given him a tall glass of soldy water.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/isr ... oal-653461

The man obviously had a heart problem, so the experts gave him a flu shot, then marked him down as another covid death.

[rkawakami]

They gave a vaccine shot to a 75 year old man, two hours later he died anyway.

So much for medical science and their vaccines. They could have just given him a tall glass of soldy water.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/isr ... oal-653461

The man obviously had a heart problem, so the experts gave him a flu shot, then marked him down as another covid death.

Where did you source the quote, "They gave a vaccine shot to a 75 year old man...? It doesn't appear anywhere in the article you referenced. How do you know they gave the man a "flu shot" and not the COVID vaccine and then the authorities registered his death as due to COVID? The only thing that you have stated in your post that appears to be true is that the man had a history of heart problems. Every other "fact" is just not supported by the evidence you've provided.

[shawross]

"A 75-year-old man from Beit She’an died of a heart attack about two hours after being vaccinated against the novel coronavirus on Monday morning, the Health Ministry reported."

I didn't read anything about flu shot but this should sound alarm bells for anyone who has cognitive awareness.

The initial findings do not show a link between the man’s death and his vaccination, Levy said.

Nothing to see here move on.

[TPFanatic]

Correlation does not imply causation. Millions have been vaccinated so far and will continue to be and one man dies of a heart attack. 1.5 million heart attacks and strokes occur in a year in the US alone. Must be from the dihydrogen monoxide.

[mpcook]

I thought these data were interesting, propensity to get the vaccine by country. "If a vaccine for COVID-19 were available, I would get it"

"The 15-country survey conducted December 17-20 among 13,500 adults on Ipsos’s Global Advisor online platform finds the highest levels of vaccination intent in China with 80% agreeing they would get a vaccine if it were available. Among the other countries surveyed, intention to get vaccinated against COVID-19 is Fairly high in Brazil (78%), Mexico (77%), the U.K. (77%), Australia (75%), South Korea (75%), and Canada (71%);
Middling in the U.S. (69%); Germany (65%), Italy (62%), Spain (62%), and Japan (60%); but Low in South Africa (53%), Russia (43%), and most of all, France (40%)."

[789]

appears to be true

Was the man 75 years old ?
Did he receive a vaccine shot ?
Did he die ?
Was the vaccine any use to him ?

He could have just stayed home, given himself a shot of rum, and lived happily ever after for the next two hours ---without any help from vaccinators & medical science.

Would the man have gone to the vaccinators if he had to pay for the excercise (in futility) from his own pocket ?

[zoltan87]

I will take it eventually. but will wait at least a few months. My immune system in general is pretty bad, so even though I am fairly young, I think I could be in trouble if contracted Covid. In general I am very pro vaccines and science, but I find a few things troubling with these new vaccines: the fact that they have been developed so fast, there is no long term experience about their effectiveness and side effects/allergic reactions. The fact that the companies that have developed them can't be held accountable if something goes wrong is also very troubling to me.

This is something that my dad has a VERY different opinion to mine, and a constant source of arguments between us, when it comes up. The annoying part is that he is the one, that is pushing his views, stating them as if he knew for 100% that these vaccines are dangerous, yet he has absolutely no qualification on the medical/biological field, or contacts to people working there. Yes, he could be right. But it surely is not the way to go about it like he does. Mind you, he is completely down the rabbit hole regarding conspiracy theories in general. Not quite flat Earth level, but not that far from that either, so at this point I have difficulty taking him seriously on any topic anyway. He is one of those people that the Internet hasn't helped to get more informed and clear minded, but has caused him to develop paranoia.