So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

[dr_st]

The scientific way to verify a virus is to isolate it using Robert Koch postulates and this has never been done.

Apparently it has been done:
https://youtu.be/84XMFVcLScw?t=1004
https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020 ... holes.html

[shawross]

Apparently it has been done:

"Apparently" you haven't read my previous post and looked at the link. I will save you the trouble and I will insert pertinent parts below. There have been attempts to isolate the virus but nobody or laboratory has managed to do this yet. All the laboratories that have claimed to have done this can only culture the virus. To properly isolate a virus, labs need to obey Robert Koch postulates otherwise it is a fraudulent exercise. They have only managed to isolate/culture the virus using contaminants.

Labs in Australia have reported to also have done this but the 1 million dollars is quite safe and the science behind these attempts is dodgy. It is like DNA and if you contaminate the isolate then it is fake science. Ask any lawyer about this. How many deaths and cases have there been? Yet the virus which I believe does exist, hasn't been isolated. Let that sink in.

After several initiatives that offered rewards to whoever managed to isolate the virus from someone supposedly contaminated with it, the group led by evangelist pastor and journalist Samuel Eckert breaks the record by offering the equivalent of $1.2 million on its website.

“1million € for scientific proof of the existence of a coronavirus, including documented control attempts of all steps taken in the proof,” the page announces.

Italian journalist Cesare Sacchetti, meanwhile, adds a bit more information about the requirements to be met by those aspiring to Eckert’s reward.



“German journalist Samuel Eckert is offering a reward of 1 million dollars for those who provide irrefutable proof of the existence of Covid-19,” he writes in one of his tweets.

He adds: “By proof, he means the isolation of the virus according to Koch’s postulates. To date, no one has been able to win Eckert’s challenge,” reiterating that the virus does not meet the classical requirements established since 1905.

German journalist Samuel Eckert is offering a reward of 1 million dollars for those who provide irrefutable proof of the existence of Covid-19. By proof, he means the isolation of the virus according to Koch's postulates. To date, no one has been able to win Eckert's challenge.

If it's about not trusting blindly the government and the mainstream media, then I support you all the way.

That is a good approach and I am not asking you to blindly trust everything that the alternative media are saying let alone me. What I am suggesting is you look at all the evidence and use common-sense.

I doubt the Satanic claims and also the claims that everyone who has had the vaccine will die in 3 years or whatever. But I want to investigate what is happening and why professional people are making these claims. I am not going to just sit back and accept what Trump, Biden, Boris, Bill Gates or name your pollie or media shill here are saying.

I think across the world there has probably been conservatively about a billion dollars spent to influence what is happening in government and the media. If I am right then how much money is being made to stage this event. And like I have said previously. Who foots the bill for this event? Pollies and the media don't foot the bill. In every way Joe Public loses out so start to do your own research.

I tend to think the virus is mainly fear and a bit of laziness with people just sitting back and not questioning what is happening. Every time I have done something which has been driven by fear or laziness then I have compromised myself.

I better wrap this up now because it seems to make RBS uncomfortable. Don't invest too heavily in politicians and corporations who are driven by greed.

[dr_st]

"Apparently" you haven't read my previous post and looked at the link. I will save you the trouble and I will insert pertinent parts below. There have been attempts to isolate the virus but nobody or laboratory has managed to do this yet. All the laboratories that have claimed to have done this can only culture the virus. To properly isolate a virus, labs need to obey Robert Koch postulates otherwise it is a fraudulent exercise. They have only managed to isolate/culture the virus using contaminants.

And apparently you haven't read the second link in my post:
In other words, the people asking for evidence of the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for Covid-19 are specifically wording their request to rule out obtaining any evidence that the virus exists. As I’ve pointed out, viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are combined with another “source of genetic material”. This is just biology.

Labs in Australia have reported to also have done this but the 1 million dollars is quite safe

It is safe because of what I quoted in the above. They are asking for something which is biologically impossible. Koch's formulated his postulates before viruses were discovered. The original formulation suits bacteria (which can be grown outside of host cells). For viruses, the postulates are still applicable, but with slight adjustments. One of these adjustments is that it needs host tissue to replicate in. This is as good as 'isolation' as is possible, and it has been done.

The people who offer the 1 million understand Koch's postulates very well. By demanding that the postulates are applied to SARS-CoV-2 in the same way they apply to bacteria, they know that they are asking for something impossible. By these standards, you cannot prove that any virus exists. They are doing this to deliberately confuse "the skeptics".

That is a good approach and I am not asking you to blindly trust everything that the alternative media are saying let alone me. What I am suggesting is you look at all the evidence and use common-sense.

I am trying to do this all the time, honestly. Coincidentally, since last night, I have read, listened to and processed a whole lot of information, that makes me view ivermectin in a new light, one which I would say is significantly more positive than before. I will try to summarize my freshly discovered point of view in a later post.

However, it is extremely difficult to separate facts from fiction, and genuine concerns from conspiracy-theory lunacy, whenever it is all thrown at your face all the time, in a confusing, misleading, repetitive, exaggerated and exhausting manner. And most of the outlets that openly object to current COVID policies around the world do just that.

This leads to that dichotomy - some folks will either side 100% with them, or against them. A very small minority will invest the time and mental effort to do the analysis. Especially considering the low ROI of such analysis (since it won't help you convince any of the "100% in" or "100% out" folks).

[mpcook]

"Apparently" you haven't read my previous post and looked at the link. I will save you the trouble and I will insert pertinent parts below. There have been attempts to isolate the virus but nobody or laboratory has managed to do this yet. All the laboratories that have claimed to have done this can only culture the virus. To properly isolate a virus, labs need to obey Robert Koch postulates otherwise it is a fraudulent exercise. They have only managed to isolate/culture the virus using contaminants.

And apparently you haven't read the second link in my post:
In other words, the people asking for evidence of the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for Covid-19 are specifically wording their request to rule out obtaining any evidence that the virus exists. As I’ve pointed out, viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are combined with another “source of genetic material”. This is just biology.

Yes in fact even Koch revised his own postulates over time as well as have others, to account for virus biology, which differs from the rudimentary knowledge of bacterial biology he was working with in the late 19th century. Virology has come a long way since then, won't you agree? A virus, by its very nature, cannot be isolated as originally required of the original postulates and demanded by the naive amateur virologists out and about in the early 21st century.

[shawross]

In other words, the people asking for evidence of the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for Covid-19 are specifically wording their request to rule out obtaining any evidence that the virus exists. As I’ve pointed out, viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are combined with another “source of genetic material”. This is just biology.


Yes in fact even Koch revised his own postulates over time as well as have others, to account for virus biology, which differs from the rudimentary knowledge of bacterial biology he was working with in the late 19th century. Virology has come a long way since then, won't you agree? A virus, by its very nature, cannot be isolated as originally required of the original postulates and demanded by the naive amateur virologists out and about in the early 21st century.

You do spruik a load of garbage. I notice you don't provide links to influencers now. If you want to isolate a virus then to follow correct science you can "NOT" combine this with another “source of genetic material”. That is not biology. Do you understand what "isolate means? Obviously not and as I have pointed out previously this is similar to DNA where you cannot contaminate the original sample.

Science today is run by corporations who generally have an agenda to only make money and increase profits. They have hijacked the narrative to suit their propaganda. No I don't agree science has come a long way and the science today is driven by spin and profits. With science you can't cut corners and Robert Koch postulates still need to be obeyed.

Where do you get your propaganda from? Snopes. I think that people like Robert Koch, Luc Montangnier, Max Planck, Einstein, Kary Mullis and countless others are the real science. Kary Mullis invented the PCR test and he said Fauci doesn't know anything about medicine. https://meaww.com/kary-mullis-nobel-lau ... v-covid-19

Dr Anthony Fauci has found himself in yet another storm after a trove of emails from his professional inbox were released to the public. The documents, obtained by the Washington Post and Buzzfeed News via the Freedom of Information Act, raise several questions about what top health officials in the United States knew and didn't know about the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Now, a resurfaced interview of a Nobel prize-winning immunologist slamming the NIH head is making waves across the Internet. Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize in 1993 for inventing the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing process used to diagnose coronavirus cases, reportedly said that Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, lacked knowledge of medicine and was willing to lie on national television. Mullis reportedly also admitted in another resurfaced video that a PCR test "doesn't tell you you're sick."

This pandemic is being run by imbeciles and charlatans. Obviously there appears to be viruses out there but we don't know where they come from. There has long been the theory that viruses are exosomes and this is an interesting theory. But this goes against the "narrative" so you fight the influencers and propaganda. There is currently big money desperately trying to keep a lid on the narrative and don't get sucked in by this propaganda.

[mpcook]

In other words, the people asking for evidence of the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for Covid-19 are specifically wording their request to rule out obtaining any evidence that the virus exists. As I’ve pointed out, viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are combined with another “source of genetic material”. This is just biology.


Yes in fact even Koch revised his own postulates over time as well as have others, to account for virus biology, which differs from the rudimentary knowledge of bacterial biology he was working with in the late 19th century. Virology has come a long way since then, won't you agree? A virus, by its very nature, cannot be isolated as originally required of the original postulates and demanded by the naive amateur virologists out and about in the early 21st century.

You do spruik a load of garbage. I notice you don't provide links to influencers now. If you want to isolate a virus then to follow correct science you can "NOT" combine this with another “source of genetic material”. That is not biology. Do you understand what "isolate means? Obviously not and as I have pointed out previously this is similar to DNA where you cannot contaminate the original sample.

No virus can pass the original postulates as written in the 19th century and so, as you stated above, "You do spruik a load of garbage."

[shawross]

No virus can pass the original postulates as written in the 19th century

Well yes this seems to be the case. So what does that tell us? Are viruses something that is made in a lab? What are exosomes? Can we just change science to fit in with the narrative? If we need to culture something to get the result that we are looking for does that seem legit? Culturing and isolating are two different things entirely. Watch the video From Dr Kaufman who dicusses this.

It is difficult to get our heads around that we are being given as a narrative so we need to analyse the narrative we are being fed. Also there are some highly intelligent scientists, virologists and Doctors who are calling out this narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBK6WJsN-xM


Late edit and does this seem normal? https://dailynewsbreak.org/head-of-the- ... -genocide/

[dr_st]

You do spruik a load of garbage. I notice you don't provide links to influencers now. If you want to isolate a virus then to follow correct science you can "NOT" combine this with another “source of genetic material”. That is not biology. Do you understand what "isolate means? Obviously not and as I have pointed out previously this is similar to DNA where you cannot contaminate the original sample.

Typical "debate" with an anti-vaxxer goes somewhat like this:

A-V reads something on science, completely misunderstands it due to lack of scientific background, but thinks he understood
A-V: "You must do it like I am telling you or it's not scientific!"
Non A-V: "No, this isn't how it works because of such and such" (attempts to explain a basic scientific principle, well-known and documented)
A-V: "Don't you understand what this word means?! Don't you understand biology?! You are not doing science! You are all paid shills!"

Thank you for fitting the pattern.

Science today is run by corporations who generally have an agenda to only make money and increase profits.

That is true. And it does have its downsides. I think that the situation around ivermectin, for instance, has been affected by this. On the other hand, the basic idea of capitalism is that in the long-run, the desire for profit is a better motivation for innovation than anything else. It goes beyond science, and I think there is some truth to it as well.

With science you can't cut corners and Robert Koch postulates still need to be obeyed.

Agree with you here. But your inability to actually understand Koch's postulates is not my problem.

This pandemic is being run by imbeciles and charlatans.

Most people in the world are imbeciles and charlatans, it's time to accept that.

[RealBlackStuff]

If vaccination were genocide (as you try to make us believe), what's in it for all these companies that try to make forever bigger profits?
In USA a little over 61% (~200 mio) of the population (330 mio) is now fully vaccinated.
According to you, these will all die soon (via mass-murder, a.k.a. genocide).
Big question: where do you dispose of 200 mio. people, their leftovers like housing, cars, etc.
Who is going to 'fill' their jobs?
How are the big companies going to make any profit if there are so 'few' people left?

Australia has ~26 mio people.
According to your gov., 90.6% of people aged 16 and over are double vaccinated (~23 mio).
Pretty soon Australia will be mostly empty, with all those people gone.
Same questions as above...

Big question: where are the governments (if any left) going to collect their taxes?
They come knocking on your door...
Pretty gloomy, with all those dead bodies around you.

[shawross]

Typical "debate" with an anti-vaxxer goes somewhat like this:

You and me can claim the other is unscientific and just doesn't understand biology or virology. I get that but do you believe Luc Montangnier, Dr Andrew Kaufman or Kary Mullis doesn't understand biology or virology?
There are thousands more and according to you they all must be nutters. Or maybe they are all conspiracy theorists.

If vaccination were genocide (as you try to make us believe), what's in it for all these companies that try to make forever bigger profits?

I don't remember using the term genocide and I don't believe it is a genocide anyway. You used that term because Dr Thomas Jendges Head of the Chemnitz Clinic reportedly used that term in a suicide note. I just asked if you thought that was a normal thing for the Head of a Clinic to do. I did show irrefutable data that shows that as vaccines increase covid cases also increase.

I believe that due to the vaccinations we probably will see a higher rate of illnesses going forward but I don't think it is a genocide. If I am correct then who benefits from people getting sick? If you have an ailment then what do you normally do? You go to see your doctor. Well it is no secret that normally your doctor will prescribe drugs. So I am not suggesting mass-murder here as you put it.

In case I have to spell it out, if more people are getting drugs prescribed then pharma companies make more profit. But I won't be investing in pharma companies because I don't want their blood money. If you look on the world stock markets can you guess who is making handsome products since 2020?

We might see a population drop but it might be only 5 - 20% worldwide which won't be as dramatic as you are alluding to. I don't buy into the fear that the mainstream media and the alternate media are putting out. Could I be wrong? Yes I suppose I could be because I don't have a chrystal ball. But I agree that it doesn't make sense that pharma will directly mass kill of their market.

We have had warnings for a while that robots are going to take workers jobs but I don't know if that is connected to any of this. People need to dial back their fear and try to logically analyse what is happening.

[dr_st]

You and me can claim the other is unscientific and just doesn't understand biology or virology. I get that but do you believe Luc Montangnier, Dr Andrew Kaufman or Kary Mullis doesn't understand biology or virology?

I never heard any of them make claims as ridiculous as "viruses don't exist", which is effectively what you are saying with the repeated appeal to the original, unrevised, Koch postulates.

[mpcook]

Typical "debate" with an anti-vaxxer goes somewhat like this:

Head of a Clinic to do. I did show irrefutable data that shows that as vaccines increase covid cases also increase.

Again, this is a spurious correlation. Reminder that you cannot infer causation from correlation. And as well, putting stock in country-level correlations (or counties, states etc.) is a classic case of the ecological fallacy.

[shawross]

I never heard any of them make claims as ridiculous as "viruses don't exist", which is effectively what you are saying with the repeated appeal to the original, unrevised, Koch postulates.

I have never said viruses don't exist but I am trying to understand what is happening. What I do believe in is nobel prize winners Luc Montangnier and Kary Mullis and also Robert Koch who as wikipedia states
"Heinrich Hermann Robert Koch was a German physician and microbiologist. As the discoverer of the specific causative agents of deadly infectious diseases including tuberculosis, cholera, and anthrax, he is regarded as one of the main founders of modern bacteriology".
These guys are much smarter than you think you are and I am amazed you just dismiss them so readily but that is your mental weakness. Have you watched the youtube video from Dr Kaufman where he discusses exosomes?

Again, this is a spurious correlation.

You don't obviously see a legit correlation between vaccines being administered and covid cases and you believe that it is just some spurious correlation. This is despite me offering relevant data to support my theory. That is your cognitive problem and I can't help you there and please stop posting social influencer rubbish. We had a member of this forum who experienced covid symptoms after getting the AZ vaccine. There is a lot of evidence indicating links.

[RealBlackStuff]

Christmas is coming, which should bring a much needed break.
Methinks we have seen enough of this.
Anybody who wants to continue discussing this, please go to your Government's website.
This thread is now CLOSED.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.